Predicting the future of marriage

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ameiko wrote:

"After reading a couple of the threads here that shows how WONDERFUL marriage is, like being shot dead by your wife and she gets probabation, I was curious what you think will happen with marriage and perhaps even the nation and world.

Marriage rates are down, way down. You can't argue that. You may attempt to argue WHY it is- like the economy- but that's about it. Too bad really since a nation needs strong marriages and families to propser but removing the man as the head of the household to be replaced by the government represented by the wife killed it.

Anyway, I predict that the rates will continue to fall. The rise of the internet helps, including sites such as here (we see so many guests for example) but far more importantly IMHO is:

1. the first generation raised by a larger number of single mothers has grown up.
2. the first generation where divorce was rampant has grown up.
3. female sexuality is freer than ever, resulting in the familar concentration of many women clustering around a small number of desireable men, which leaves many men in the cold.
4. as more women work, young men are coming into contact more often with older women and begining to understand both physically and emotionally how poorly they age.

As a result, we have many young men realizing that the marriage of old is dead. The chances are far too high that we could marry and do the right thing only to be devestated financially and emotionally.

We may have grown up and seen the men who were successful- the cads who dated our divorced or never married mothers. Clearly, marriage is just for suckers and you don't need it to get laid.

If you are one of the sexually successful men, you also came to see marriage as unneeded for success. If you're not one of those sexually successful men, well by the time women do start looking at you, they are older, unattractive, and have kids. Some men may jump for that but many other men don't have as much interest in sex and have gone so long without women that their life works better the way it is.

Of course, women will continue to couple since they are the ones in demand but eventually they will seek children and marriage. While more women are "knocking themselves up" via artificial insemination, in reality most desire a man for at least his money and possibly as a helper (listen to Tom Leykis rip apart the article where such a woman encouraged other women to settle down in order to have a business partner ala a straight Will and Grace rather than making romance for either partner a priority).

With less men donating sperm and more men unwilling to marry, what then? Sure, she can get knocked up by the stereotypical bad boy but he doesn't have any money. I see more attempts at paternity fraud along with court battles over DNA tests. It's one thing to tell a husband that he must support a child born within his marriage and deny him a DNA test but it's another thing for the courts to tell a single man he must pay for a child without proof barring those cases we saw in California where the state oops and he never finds out before the court has already ruled.

So, we'll probably see more cases where the court rules in absentia but the court can only do that so much until even the manginas of this nation rise up. We'll probably see a rise in DNA testing if only so the courts can determine if the man if the father or not.

More gender warfare as women demand more and men refuse. The political wars now will be nothing as women demand more support from the government and more men but also married women refuse since they do not want their resources tapped.

Gonna be scary but interesting.

Anyway, a little rambly but wanted to share."

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ameiko wrote:

"Another prediction: a "spritual revival."

We have these all the time so we are probably due for another one. Most people seek something bigger than they are to rely on for vision and support. For many secularists, this is the government but government is under seige as seen by this election. Sure, one can argue that we just switched the nameplates on the doors and not much will happen at least in the short term. However, many people are angry that government sucks away so much of their money to give it to others and I would suspect that among that group are single men who are sick of seeing their money going to women via the government yet they receive nothing from these women in return.

Anyway, if government is not the solution, what is? For some, it may be religion. More importantly though, who will lead this crusade? I suggest women. As others have noted here, we have these mangina pastors trying to lead young men wrong by attempting to hook up good single men with pathetic women: indebted, with children, possible divorced, old, etc. We see that black women are encouraged to pray to God for a man or to only accept a man who accepts Jesus. That said women are not desireable means this blackmail will be useless.

Men, the more independent and insightful gender, will not be fooled even as the preacher condemns men for not "manning up." We are now longer in the days of hellfire and brimstone; we will question and observe that women are getting a free pass. That they are not "womaning up" by acting as the Bible dictates a wife should act.

Women will flock to church and attendence will go up, heralding a "return to spirituality"but it will mask men fleeing. Churches are trying to get men back (there was some articles about using superman music and outdoorsy, manly events to attract men) but these are GIMMICKS!!! Men, especially older ones, are not fooled.

In the end, neither government nor religion will be of interest to men because we are seeing how these institutes have contempt for us. Women may fill those slots but to what end?

What if women take more posistions, both elected and not, in government? Hmm...

The first reaction among us is: oh no! More government taxation and spending! Perhaps. Yet who will be these women? The number of single women with children is no doubt on the rise and they are rising their children like women to create either manginas or bellicose young men rebelling against manginas- the result will be more demand for more government services paid for by... someone.

Yet among those women coming in will be married women who do will not want to see taxes raises in their families.

Will the bachelor tax, either subtely through increased child credits or a naked fee, be on the horizion? Or simply more taxes on the "rich" who are most often men because they take the most risks and thus reap the greatest reward?

What then, do the mobile men, especially those of wealth, do? Or, more accurately, do they GO? Perhaps China and India where their economies are on the rise? Or the untamed Africa where balls and skills can harvest a fortune for the bold?"

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forcho130 wrote:

"On the macro level, those cultures which promote strong marriage laws and customs will out-breed the countries which promote feminism and family destroying laws and customs.

The anemic birthrates of western civilization will ultimately lead to its self-created collapse or make it susceptible to invasion from other more populous civilizations.

The question from here is whether or not the conquerors will retain their pro-family marriage values or fall victim to feminism and begin the cycle anew.

However, it must be said that western countries have one trump card remaining. Since western women are having fewer and fewer children, if the governments of the western powers can create a 'Brave New World' type scenario where masses of babies are born in artificial wombs, then a country could re-populate itself to make it competitive against other highly populated nations."

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notaredneck wrote:

"What future?

The guys who were the future of marriage, when I was younger, were largely ignored until they were experienced and mature enough to give it a pass.

Younger guys soon realized that such men were not wanted and few signed up for the course.

Whenever any woman gushes about how younger men are "better" than the ones of the recent past, what she is really saying is:

1) she's in lust with a good looking younger man.

2) he's a great actor and ass kisser."

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redhawk wrote:

"Another aspect of the situation is what is good for business. Our government mostly caters to the business sector. Some thoughts:

I think the easy ride women have been getting at work will come to an end when the business sector decides they have gotten women in the work force and now its time to make them work 100%.

The men who are graduating college now and become the next wave of industry leaders will less likely marry due to general perception that marriage is not a "must do" and is not universally attractive. This will make them less likely to support "family friendly" policies and spending. They will push for changes in the law and/or take their businesses elsewhere.

Bachelor tax: Pushing single men too far can be dangerous for government. He is most likely to do something. That is why government want men to be married so it can threaten his family. A "single person tax" would be more likely. This will allow women to claim victimhood and pressure men to save them.

I think there might be further change in the concept of family. I think children will be seen as the sole product of the mother. So, there may be less emphasis on child support on an individual man and more of a tax credit for women with children. There may be a promotion of the idea that a woman automatically come with children to a marriage and any children born in the marriage are her children solely."

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travisbickle wrote:

"Either way, I don't think that the future is pretty. For the past few years I have been in survival mode, since my divorce.

Big mommy government is heavily in debt, at all levels. Federal, state, and local. The tax revenues are way down, and people going back to work are earning less than before. That equals even less tax revenue. So the governments continue to raise fees, fines, sins taxes, etc. But it will never cover the deficit. Spending cuts will come. And when they do, watch out. Women depend heavily on big government.

All of this turmoil has people in fear about their financial future, and that will have a big negative impact on marriages. Believe me, there are still plenty of pathetic weak manginas out there that want to get married. They foolishly think that marriage means that they will be having sex. Idiots.

But what really hurts marriage is that these guys are so pathetic that young women don't want anything to do with them. Until many years later when they've f*cked around and have a few kids in tow.

That hurts marriage rates, because the longer a male waits, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the more AWARE of the truth about women he begins to see. Whether from the bitterness of his earlier rejections, or from the destruction he witnesses of the other men around him from divorce.

The longer women wait to marry, the more it plays into reducing marriage rates, which ultimately benefits men, that might have been stupid enough to marry when they were younger and more naive.

Next, another factor to consider is that feminism has eliminated the clear distinction between male and female roles that existed 50 plus years ago. Girls and boys don't even dress that much different these days. Many girls dress just like boys. That's a huge difference from the 1950s. As a result, boys and girls are all mixed together, which screws up the differences between the sexes required for long term attraction. Women have just become one of the boys. Nothing more than friends with benefits. Marriage is not required. And women don't view men in the protector provider role anymore, that belongs to the government. But you can't marry the government.

And another big factor having a negative impact on marriage rates is the declining sperm rates. It's too late, science has already shown that the chemicals that have been introduced into our bodies over the past 50 plus years have resulted in big reductions in male fertility. With that, men lose desire. Viagra use is widespread, but it's only temporary. The rest of the time, many men are not interested in women.

Over stimulation from porn and women's sexual freedom have also caused a negative impact on marriage. Women are no longer unique and special worthy of marriage. Each is just one more of the many. Women are no longer seen are pure. Men know that they can't be trusted not to potentially cheat. And porn introduces the concept of variety. Switch to a new and different girl when you're bored with your current desire. Porn also sets level of expectation from men, that most women cannot possibly meet. At least not 24x7, leading to frustration in the relationship from differences in expectations, and breakups.

Many years ago, people often marriage their first boyfriend or girl friend at a young age. People were often virgins. There is NO way that modern society can complete with that and promote that concept of marriage. We're much older and more experienced and realize that marriage is slavery and a scam.

Western society will pay a steep price over the next few decades.

Best of all though will be to watch many women self destruct. Unable to pay their bills, and no man to rescue them. And government cutting entitlement, because it's beyond broke. But like cockroaches, women will survive. They have the job skills and know how. It's the oldest profession in the world."

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post by whytry:

"First, I expect foreign women to become more and more like the western women as more and more white men marry them.

Second, I predict the fall of Civ. as we know it. I'm anxiously looking forward to the end of our civ. It's not everyday that you witness the fall of a thousand year old empire.

By the way, if you haven't noticed, religious women are as whorish as any other woman it's just that the religious woman can pretend to be virginal, sweet and caring, much better than the typical woman because she was taught by her mother(who in turn was taught by her own mother) to first sell the pussy for the highest price possible before putting out.

Fcshmdt, I know that you have children but your children are as fucked up as the rest of men are. Maybe you should have thought a little bit better before giving "let's have a child" a go."

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sneakyredhead wrote:

"It is disappointing to see that marriage has declined so much. I am a child of parents who are still married and finally found me a guy who reminds me of my dad and is very good to me.

I would rather not have children at all than be a single mother. I am shocked by how acceptable it is. It also is probably a one-way ticket to poverty. A family isn't complete without an established man at home.

On another note, it is best to stay single while you are young until you know who you really are. When you find that someone, you'll just know.

Now to look through the rest of this forum and see what you guys have been up to ... heehee"

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whytry wrote:

"Marriage has always been a bad deal for men. Take marriage 2.0. Men had to support a wife. It's still true to a great extent, but men are no longer obliged to marry. My ancestors had to put up with their wives, I don't, at least in real life I don't. They might shame me but they're aren't going to keep me from achieving my goals.

Truth is, women, and all women at that, are simply a distraction. An expensive distraction. Children aren't necessary for the individual to have a good life and in many cases they are problematic. Sex should be completely avoid because, even if a man finds himself a virgin(I know, the Muslims have to kill themselves to find one), the sex will make him addicted to it for life.

One of the main reasons for my complete and utter brilliance at shutting women off from my life derives from my celibacy. I've never had sex and I'll never will, even if a virgin is at range, I am not interested in it. I don't drink, I don't smoke. Meaning, I am not interested in drugs - which sex is, probably one of the world's greatest drugs.

As for a woman claiming to be against feminism and all that, yes , and I know a drug dealer angry at the other drug dealers - because they are lowering the price of the product!"

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avoidwomen wrote:

"I feel feminism will start declining in 2020 and be dead by 2030 due to technology giving men strong alternatives. This will happen long before population overtake. I predict marriage declining as well till only the religious perform church marriages.


Marriage 1.0 was supposed to be a good deal for the man or at least a fair deal. Marriage 2.0 should be avoided by all men. Because alot of men are on marriage strike, there's less pressure to marry. In fact, more men will warn you away from marriage than will women pressure you to marry.

Ill also never marry, mate nor procreate. I don't need those hassles in my life. Going your way gives you a ton of freedom! Ive never even been tempted into sex! It's nothing but trouble and it's also disgusting in many ways. Not needing/wanting sex gives men the best freedom. I feel bad for those men who waste time, money and harm themselves in the pursuit of sex."

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misandryindex wrote:

"Marriage is an act of charity for men - it always has been. A man gets nothing out of it. No reform can make marriage attractive, given its fundamental nature.

The only reason men marry is because they really don't understand what they're doing. They're fooled by cultural imagery working on their psychological vulnerability (which is a feature of the masculine sex drive).

Marriage law already allows you the only option that matters - the right to stay single."

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whytry posted:

"Nope. There will be no more interaction between women and men. Most teenagers -and even most guys in their 20's - are growing up on a diet of porn. Porn kills the desire for women. It's true, we can be the guy who never receives female attention but suddenly, a 18 year old Megan Fox is smiling and asking us out - we say no.

Why? Because porn killed our desire/taught us that women are whores, that women could never compete with a porn star and that, after you take a wank, the desire for women is gone. So gone. I mean seriously gone.

This is the last generation born out of women. I'm so happy that men are not going to waste any more time with women. You know how most people, when walking near a homeless man, simply ignore the poor fella?

That's what's gonna happen to women.

Bed. Made. Lie."

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avoidwomen's response:

"marriage is dying, we won't return to marriage 1.0 or see marriage 3.0. Too many men got burnt and have warned others away. Also I agree, porn and masturbation is giving men sexual release. In 10 years, porn will go 3-d and become interactive making it 10x more addictive and so popular that most men won't ever bother dating/mating women. Sexbots/robogirls will also come on the scene. Men are only gaining more and more sexual alternatives thanks to technology. Women have less than a decade left to use men and screw over men before feminism will be in decline and women simply ignored by nearly all men."

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notajerk wrote:

"I think the consequences of women's behaviors will lead to women either trying to push marriage status from basically looking at a woman, okay, just a joke.. You'd think they would push for polygamy, so they could share the few guys they desire. But... those alpha males aren't stupid enough to subject themselves to multiple divorces... So, what's going to happen, and given that most men are manginas and will do anything to appease women, and that despite how much women shout grrrl power, they eventually realize working sucks and want to either quit or work part time, but still want to make as much as men make... So the end result, enabled by manginas, will be that there will be a man tax, where men are taxed at higher rates, and the revenues redistributed to women, so that a woman working 10 hours a week makes as much as a man who works 40. They will view this as "fair"."

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whytry wrote:

"I dunno. Man takes time to get out of the hole, but when he does... French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Portuguese Revolution and so on. Most guys are sexually repressed. It's gonna blow, and with the state of the economy? Financial frustration plus sexual frustration?

Something tells me that a complete social changing is coming. Soon. And it won't make women happy. I just hope that THE social change is complete and utter rejection, keep all women away from men.

[..] Nope. As the average guy that I am, I was rejected by the girls when I was a teenager. Then when I entered my 20's I was too 'jaded' to bother. Soon after I realized that most guys were dominated by their sexual desires. I noticed - after much research and observation - that when you taste sex, you can never get fully cured from the addiction sex brings.

Now I just get a kick out of seeing most males destroying themselves for the sake of 'sex is better than masturbation'.

Human beings deserve no compassion because they have the means and the opportunity to overcome their base urges but they don't do it."



avoidwomen wrote:

"In other words, sex is like a drug that is best avoided and never tried. Im a virgin and my life is far happier, safer and easier than the lives of those men wasting money and time for their next pussy fix."